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Herakles vs Hercules by PetaTokala Herakles vs Hercules by PetaTokala
So, this is my first stamp. Its about one of my many pet peeves.

This bothers me all the freaking time. I read a book/watch a movie based on Greek Mythology and based in Greece and they say Hercules.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

In short, please use Herakles when referring to Greek, Hercules when Roman. I don't really mind the Roman name, just as long as its used in Roman context. What I hate the most is when they make everything else Greek, the gods names, the place, then they use Hercules. Disney, I'm looking at you.

Their myths are different. The Greeks mainly had the tweleve labours of Herakles whilst the Romans had Hercules do different things, like stopping the the Sabines from doing human sacrifices.

Even though Rick Riordan is aweosme with PJO, he stuffed up on this one.

Percy and his mates call him Hercules whilst in The Lost Hero Jason says Herakles (although with a c). Which pissed me off for reasons I cannot explain lest I release a thousand spoilers into the world.

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roses504 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yes, just... yes.
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PoppyFields145 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Student Writer
OMGGIES YOU UNDERSTAND ME.
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Shadyshadowcat Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
YESH THANK YOU
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Liettore Featured By Owner May 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
THANK THE GODS, SOMEBODY ACTUALLY FEELS MY PAIN. 
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TheSea-Prince Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
( So I'm not the only one who gets ticked off by this! And yes, it pissed me off when Percy a Greek has been calling Herakles by his roman name whilst a Roman Jason calls him Heracles (the Greek name) >>
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Asher12 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
THANK YOU !! I'm greek and I just hate it so much when
people think it's the same !!
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2pElladaGata Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
((THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HATE WHEN PEOPLE USE HERCULES WHEN REFERRING TO THE GREEK.))
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TheOriginalArts Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
FINALLY! SOMEBODY WHO REALIZED THIS TOO!

I sent Rick a note telling him this... :))
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mikky132 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
i am not the only one that gets mad at that
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TridentWielder Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm glad I'm not the only one bothered by that.
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VioletMemorys Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yup
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SeaChick Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Haha, I've argued that before :) And, when I read the book to my friend I always said added the "a" :) The stamp speaks the truth :)
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BexDomain Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2012
Thank you - I just had another freaking argument about this with a friend of mine - if he's doing his masters on Greek myths he can at least get the names right - right?
This always bugs me - even the tv show irritated me when they mixed myths.
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saharaas Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2012
...I say Heracles...Is that okay? .__. I really don't know if it's accurate or not, but it's virtually the same except with a c and not a k :dummy:~

Whatever xD Anyway, I agree.
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Percabeth-is-4ever Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Romans invented the letter c, but yeah, it works!
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Wolfdrappa95 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Student General Artist
Thank god! somebody else hates when they say Hercules when talking about Greek myths. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates when they use the wrong name.
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TheOriginalArts Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I sent a letter to him about this. ._. a couple years ago.
I love you...
We should get e-married.
._.
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Kelardry Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Finally! Somebody else shares this pet peeve. I always get weird looks when I interrupt people by saying If he's ZEUS'S son, it's HERAKLES! If he's JUPITER'S son, THEN he's Hercules! Even my mythology textbook messes it up. Grrr!
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011
EXACTLY. I'm so glad that my friend and I aren't the only two who do this.

In classics we had to watch a film about Heracles (so we could get an idea of the ancient's ideals of heroism) and he was continuously called Hercules.
At least he murdered his own children, like in the myth he's supposed to do.
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ihatewaluigi1 Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Finally! Someone gets it! I always HATED the Hercules movie because of this. I had to watch it once a few years ago at summer camp, and everyone got really mad at me because I kept interrupting the movie with my mythology nerd rants.

And the fact that they didn't even mention that Zeus and Hercules were brothers mad me angry, they completely left out Poseidon, too, and so many other things that would take way too long for me to type.
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011
I'm just glad I'm not the only one out there who hates that abomination of a movie. Seriously, every 'Hercules' movie I've ever seen has always strayed from the original myth (and in big ways too). I wish hollywood or BBC would make a true-to-the-original adaption *sigh*.

The Disney movie though... seriously, trust Disney to try and make a R-16 story into a kids cartoon.

I think you meant Hades there, cuz Heracles and Zeus aren't brothers ^^' and yes, I totally agree. Not to mention that they made Hera his mum, who also actually liked him in the film when in the myth she kinda made his life a living hell. >> So basically, they changed the antagonist and made his original antagonist his mum. That's pretty messed up if I do say so myself.
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ihatewaluigi1 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Oh yeah, I meant Hades ^^; My mistake.

I didn't like the way they portrayed the Titans either. They certainly weren't giant brainless personifications of the elements. The only thing that got me through the movie was knowing that Heracles killed Megara and their children afterwards. :evillaugh:
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2011
Totally, not to mention that not all the Titans were in Tartarus. Typhon is supposed to be in Mt Rhea. Plus there wasn't a Titan for earthquakes, that was Poseidon. Oh, not to mention that PEGASUS WAS IN THE WRONG MYTH.

And yes, that is the best part, knowing that someday, Heracles will kill his wife and kids and then hopefully the labours will begin then. But, poor Chiron, getting fired only to be replaced with a satyr.
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ihatewaluigi1 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
That satyr really pissed me off. :crazy:

What was with Hades' weirdo sidekicks? I haven't watched the movie in a while, so I don't know everything that was wrong with it. But I can't seem to remember...was the Hydra supposed to be in the Heracles myth, or was it something else?
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Justinian-RisingStar Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011
I learn the true in high school. Thou I also learn that Aphrodite made Medusa inth same class.
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011
Lol, I can see why you would be a bit doubtful then XP

I learnt about this about last year I think. I only started obsessing about it when during classics we were forced to watch a movie called Hercules about the Greek hero (it was to show us what qualities an ancient hero had.). It was a pretty bad movie.
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Nari18 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2011
actually Hercules is NOT a Roman name it is GREEK. so using Hercules is correct. I have a research book about Greek and Roman myths and in the book th author uses Hercules for the name of the Greek hero. his name was NOT Herakles it was Hercules. on many many different sites it says that the name is Hercules and says that Herakles is a form of Hercules both are Greek but the correct name is indeed Hercules.
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2011
First of all, I would like to say, thank you for the comment. Comments always brighten my mood, even if they do not agree with me.

Secondly, the below argument is not a personal attack on yourself or anything about you. Just the statement you made clear in your comment.

Ok now, time for my rebuttal. I went to the library after school today and looked up all the following facts, so rest assured, what I say has been researched.

I hate to say it, but Hercules is what the Romans called him, as stated by many reliable sources. These sources include Encyclopaedia Britannica, The World Book Encyclopaedias and by the Usborne Encyclopaedia of the Ancient World. All three sites say that Hercules is his Roman name and Herakles his Greek name. And yes, the Greeks did come before the Romans [link] . Originally his name was Alcides, the name given to him by his mother and step-father. They changed it later to Herakles, which translates to "Hera's Glory" in a failed attempt to please her.

The reason your book uses the name Hercules is most likely because it is a book on Greek and Roman myths. Hercules is the name most used by the modern Western world, not many people even realise that they are using the wrong name when talking about 'Hercules, the son of Zeus.'. Many good books about mythology, where the subject is known by two different names will have a note by one of the alternative names, such as:
Hercules: See HERAKLES

On another note, you should always make sure to collect your information from a number of reliable sources. Websites entirely dedicated to Greek Mythology, such as Theoi.com; [link] , Greek Mythology Link; [link] and Greek Mythology index; [link] All refer to him as Herakles. I usually use 'K's when using Greek words as they didn't have a C in their alphabet (stupid Romanisation) but C's and K's are interchangeable.

The statement that Herakles is a form of Hercules, is also incorrect. Hercules is not a form of Herakles, it comes from an Etruscan name Herceler. They changed the name to make it easier to say (in a Latin point of view).

Roman mythology is, in short, a mismatch of different religions from around the Mediterranean. They rather liked the idea of the Greek hero Herakles so borrowed him and put them into their own myths. The fact that the Romans were so influenced by the Greeks is one of the reasons they also gave their gods human features.

Techinically both are indeed correct, but, as I said in my comments and in the stamp itself, I believe that Herakles should only be used when referring to the Greek myth and Hercules to the Roman myth. In our day and age, the two words are usually interchangeable but I, being a nerd for historical accruacy, prefer using Herakles when talking about the Greek myth and Hercules when talking about the Roman.
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Nari18 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011
lol wow that was really long. i see ur point but the ppl this shud b told 2 are the writers. its their faults evryone uses Hercules instead of Herakles. :D also u may believe that ppl shud use Herakles wen talking about the Greek myth but Hercules is alot easier 2 say. and if ur talking 2 some1 about the Greek myth and u say Herakles most often times their gonna look at u like ur crazy and say "its prnounced Hercules". so i find it much easier not confuse ppl and just use the most commonly used name in the myth.
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2pElladaGata Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
((Sorry for the random inturrption in the conversation, but i find Ηερακλες easier to say than hercules))
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011
Yeah, I guess it was kind of long. I do like writing stuff. Plus I read your comment in the morning and had the whole day to figure out how to reply. Hahaha. Not obsessive at all.

I suppose you're right, writers and bad research (Troy, I'm looking at you. Freaking drachmas on the eyes... were the writers freaking high?) are the things that lead to all these misunderstandings.

Yeah, I guess you're right. Most of my friends are fellow nerds so they also understand my Herakles vs Hercules pain. If I talk to someone and they say Hercules I usually correct them (then they just go and look at me strangely and edge away, but people do that all the time so its no big deal).

And sure, you may like using it for convienience, I'm just a Classics nerd. :B And I have an insane hope that I might actually get someone to use Herakles instead of Hercules :D
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Nari18 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011
well i no how u feel about that kind of thing. its a pain in the butt wenevr some1 refers 2 Bacchus as the Greek god of Wine and Dionysus as the Roman god of wine. some ppl use it so interchangably it really gets under my skin so i can see where ur coming from on this. hey mayb ur next stamp cud b about the difference between Dionysus and Bacchus. :D lol so u have kinda gotten 2 me. i now no the correct name is Herakles but i will still continue 2 use Hercules out of convenience and understanding. :D
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011
Yes. I agree. Or, in my copy of the Thebean plays, whenever they refer to Zeus as God. No gods, just God. ARGH.

That's a good idea, I might even do a whole series on things liek this... I was originally influenced by this stamp [link] , but if I have any good ideas and get any free time *coughnotlikelycough* I'll do one like that.

Yes. Another has moved to my side XP
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Nari18 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011
omg thats just rong. they eithr need 2 say zeus and the gods or just THE God.
awesome i hope u get some free time 2 do that. :D
lol. :D :D ^_^
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011
Yes, I just got a pencil, crossed it out and corrected it as Zeus, since they usually refered to Zeus.

Yeah I should get some time. School exams and stuff coming up though *rollseyes*

And thanks for the watch, btw ^^
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nessaaa95 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I TOTALLY agree with you! They only do that because the name Hercules is more well known than the original name Herakles, and I think it's mainly because of Disney, I don't know.
And I do understand if some people say the roman name when dealing with Greek mythology cuz some people aren't that into the myths as we are, but what's really effed up is that the people that ARE into greek myths pronounce the roman name when dealing with greek myths even though they know that's not the correct name -___-
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PetaTokala Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2011
I think the reason Hercules is more prominent in our world is just because the Romans left a bigger imprint on our society. Plus, Hercules is a bit easier to say. But Disney... :pissedoff: Disney stuffed up big time. Trust them to try and make an R-rated Greek Myth into a mo-town cartoon musical based at kids.
I, likewise understand. I don't mind if someone, such as my seven year old cousin or someone who isn't totally obsessed with mythology says Hercules. Sometimes *coughmostofthetimecough* I will tell them that his Greek name is Herakles (then get ignored and continue on with my life). But, as you said, it really annoys me when myth nerds or heaven forbid HOLLYWOOD doesn't do the research and calls him Hercules while giving everyone else Greek names.

orwhenpeoplesuchasbelowsayi'mwrongineverysingleway

Oh and thanks for the favourite ^^ :hooray:
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nessaaa95 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you're welcome ^^
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